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Post by Alicia on Apr 21, 2004 20:30:39 GMT -5
I'll explain in detail my view a little later but..
Discuss!
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Post by (LK) on Apr 21, 2004 21:27:04 GMT -5
it's up the the parents
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 21, 2004 22:45:54 GMT -5
I did a pretty good job of explaining it in the Extra Credit thread thingy, but I'll reiterate here.
I believe that if a woman is raped and gets pregnant, then there's reason to abort. If the woman will die during pregnancy, I sadly have to support late-term abortions. I'd rather lose my unborn child then my wife. It's a tough choice, but I'm sure of my decision. If the child is going to come out horribly deformed, that is means for a Loooong discussion between the parents, and then the parents and the doctor.
If a condom breaks, I'd have to say we take it on a case by case basis. You hear people all the time saying to use condoms and such, so one breaking is a fluke and should be treated as such. If it's a teenager, abortion should be a possibility to be discussed between the parents AND THEIR PARENTS. I've heard of plenty of potential grandparents that A) Got pissed upon hearing that their child had an abortion B) Are/were more than willing to help care for their grandchild to help their child finish school or whatever.
Any other case of a condom breaking, ie between two, say, 27 year olds, should not be allowed to abort. Flukes happen, but they can't always just be forgotten. Learn to adapt, dammit.
Finally, if the girl is stupid enough to A) Not use a condom B) Not take birth control C) Not use a combination of timing and pulling out (the only way I'd do either is if they're combined) Then she's already made her choice. She should be forced to have the child. If she's dumb enough not to even try to prevent it, then she should have the kid and put it up for adoption if she can't handle it.
PS - I posted some personal info, but as LK noted, it was unnecessary. I think only LK saw it. If anyone else did, I trust you to keep it confidential. Thank you.
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Post by (LK) on Apr 21, 2004 23:30:55 GMT -5
I 100% agree with bass on his statements on abortion, although you didn't really have to add all that personal info... i think...
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 22, 2004 1:11:54 GMT -5
I agree. LK, you keep it confidential - I don't think anyone else saw it. DELETED!!!
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Post by piñata on Apr 22, 2004 10:59:55 GMT -5
I think everyone should mind their own damn business. This is a private issue that shouldn't even be up for discussion.
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 22, 2004 14:14:13 GMT -5
Actually, it is an issue. If abortion is out-lawed, then the population growth rate would grow in enormous leaps. On the other hand, if abortion is made and kept 100% legal no matter what, there will be LOTS of people Forking like bunnies without any regard for personal safety -=coughSTDscough=- Besides, it's been an issue for so long that I don't think anyone really considers it a private thing anymore. And it is the possibility of future lives, here. To your end, Piñata, nothing is anyone's business. Why try to outlaw spousal abuse or incest? It's their business, is it not? Extreme cases, yes, but worthy examples nonetheless. Just because you don't think people should care about it doesn't mean everyone else should. Ah, the joys of Freedom of Speech.
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Post by DarkAngel on Apr 22, 2004 15:04:07 GMT -5
I agree 153% with Bass! A child is a precious thing, and the parents have NO right to take away that life just because they were too irresponible to use the proper precautions. Damnit Bass, now i wanna know what the personal info was
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Post by (LK) on Apr 22, 2004 16:34:06 GMT -5
I think everyone should mind their own damn business. This is a private issue that shouldn't even be up for discussion. nu uh, Alicia posted this thread and since she's a female she has even more rights to talk about this kind of stuff...
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Post by Static Burn on Apr 22, 2004 21:05:29 GMT -5
I say that abortion is a bad thing, especially if it's the result of sheer irresponsibility. I believe that it is wrong of someone to kill another person simply on the basis that that person would be an annoyance to him/her. By the basis of biolgical facts, abortion is killing a person, but the issue lies in whether that person is important enough to have his or her life protected by law.
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Post by Alicia on Apr 22, 2004 21:09:48 GMT -5
Sorry but this issue bugs the hell outta me.
Timing is bullfecal matter. Granted there is less chance of getting pregnant, but not much less, and its not always after a woman's period...Its different times for different girls. SO that's pretty much out.
Pulling out: Things...uhh...happen before a guy... Basically, you don't know what's going on down there..not a good idea.
This will seem like a bit of my personal info but... Morby and I use condoms, there's no way any intercourse is happening unless we have one since I'm not on the pill. NOne at all! Not even for a bit. fecal matter happens.
One thing I absolutely hate, is a guy knocking a girl up then telling her to keep the baby. Its not just a girls responisbility to be safe. If she gets pregnant it' her damn baby, her body, 9 months of her life.
If I was to get pregnant I have no idea what i'd do..probably not abortion...But it's not right to put limits on it. This isn't a perfect world. There are complications...but even still, most girls as teenagers who actually have the baby dont give it up for adoption. They get an abortion or keep it. What kind of life would a child have? I couldn't make a child live a life with me now..I'm a dumb girl..I'm selfish...and I'm not even living with Bryan. If I was pregnant I'd say I'd be booted out on my ass..abortion or not.
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Post by (LK) on Apr 22, 2004 21:26:46 GMT -5
she's got a point there, whether you feel abortion is wrong because it's "killing" a life, think of it this way, you're actually saving his or her life, kinda like what they did in the book "Mice and men" or something like that when they shot the dog
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Post by Alicia on Apr 22, 2004 21:28:01 GMT -5
Or Lenny
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Post by (LK) on Apr 22, 2004 21:29:08 GMT -5
i'm not sure if Lenny's the one who shot the dog, because i didn't bother reading it, but it's somewhat simliar to that of abortion
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Post by Elfie on Apr 22, 2004 23:09:14 GMT -5
I agree with Bass, but to those who say its none of our business, I have to give you the other side of the argument. If one believes that abortion is murder, then essentially you are telling that person that its none of their business and that they should let the murder take place. Under any other circumstance this would be considered outrageous, but because of the nature of the fetus many people don't think about it that way. That's how the other side sees it, and based on their philosophy it makes perfect sense. I just happen to disagree.
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Post by (LK) on Apr 22, 2004 23:10:49 GMT -5
so you disagree with abortion right? Sorry i'm a bit slow right now.
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Post by Elfie on Apr 22, 2004 23:11:57 GMT -5
No, I disagree with that argument because I believe what Bass, I just don't want this to be so one-sided.
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Post by (LK) on Apr 22, 2004 23:20:14 GMT -5
oh, yeah i agreed with bass too on that, sometimes the best decisions in life don't aren't always the most pleasent
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Post by piñata on Apr 23, 2004 8:22:16 GMT -5
To your end, Piñata, nothing is anyone's business. Why try to outlaw spousal abuse or incest? It's their business, is it not? Extreme cases, yes, but worthy examples nonetheless. The only thing that was an extreme case of is a blatantly inflammatory attempt to dodge the real topic of this thread -- not to mention putting words in my mouth. If you were any other man, I would modslap you where you stand. But, since you bring it up, why shouldn't, for example, two cousins who have each other's consent, be able to do what they want in the privacy of their own homes? Who the hell are you to judge anybody? You're not even wearing any Forking pants.
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 23, 2004 13:46:51 GMT -5
-=Ducks=- Cousins shouldn't do that because...well...that's just nasty...and weird...though I suppose if it's their business it's their business...but it also doesn't affect anyone but themselves. Aborting a single child affects a lot of stuff. Would-be grandparents get upset at the double-irresponsibility of their child, would-be mothers and fathers stress out because of everything...it's a much bigger issue, and it's not done in the privacy of their own homes, either. They need doctors and stuff. Cousins only need each other. -=shudder=- And I can judge people however I see fit. That's my human right. As long as I don't discriminate against them in terms of hiring or schooling or something like that, I can judge how I please. So can you. There's that freedom of speech thing again. Anyway, back to abortion... Timing is somewhat safer than not doing so, but isn't as safe as a condom, I admit that. I heard statistics somewhere, I don't remember the exact stats, but, with spermicidal lubricant, condoms are 97-98% effective. In other words, 2-3 out of every 100 times someone has sex with a condom, it still doesn't work as it should. Nothing is 100% safe, except abstinence, but if you know what you're doing, be it timing or pulling out or whatever, you decrease the odds of pregnancy. And about pulling out...yes, I know there is usually a few drops of pre-ejaculatory liquid...that's why I am not fond of the idea of doing it without using timing as well. But if the guys knows his body well enough (and all guys should) then he can almost always tell when he's going to ejaculate and how many more seconds he has until he does. I for one know exactly how my body works in that respect, giving me that much more of an advantage when using the "Pull and Pray" method. Some guys don't.
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