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Post by Disgruntled Misanthrope on Feb 12, 2005 9:45:19 GMT -5
Well? Your thoughts, please. IS suicide alright? And should assisted suicidce be legal? Why or why not?
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Feb 12, 2005 15:48:52 GMT -5
How can I put this in terms easy to understand.... NOoh, you wanted to know WHY. Well, suicide is wrong, stupid, and the coward's way out. I don't care if you're having your appendages slowly cut off every day and you have to watch your family murdered in front of you one by one, suicide is not the answer. Know the worst part? Typing that, I almost think it'd be better there, but then I remembered something - most of the people who commit suicide are this - People who get stressed out at their job because they're probably in the wrong job to begin with, and whiny teenagers (and yes, I've been one, too) who think that because they have homework, their parents fight, and no one wants to date them that the world is over and there's nothing worth living for. For the first group, I simply say relax, get a better job if you must, and Forkin' chill. For the second group - grow up. I did the same damn thing and you know what? Looking back on it, I was a Forking moron for ever thinking that ANY of my problems even REMOTELY merited suicide. Assisted suicide is murder, plain and simple. If you're speaking of Euthanasia, that should be done on a case by case basis dependent on the age, medical condition(s), etc., of the person in question.
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Post by Static on Feb 12, 2005 15:59:43 GMT -5
I think that it's a generally bad idea. But the truth is, if someone wants to die and can't get anyone to help them, they'll find a way.
I think that an exception probably could be made for someone who has been diagnosed with a terminal illness. If their days are numbered anyway, might as well give them the option of ending it sooner to spare their families the medical expenses and to spare themselves the pain.
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Post by DarkAngel on Feb 12, 2005 16:23:01 GMT -5
Haha, Bass, I think you're thinking differently than what DM was. He meant for people with terminal illness. For that case, I think it definately should be allowed. Are we going to force a person to live through pain and suffering when it's evident he's going to die soon anyways? That's just cruel.
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Feb 12, 2005 17:03:17 GMT -5
Well, he never actually said "euthanasia," and being the grammar buff he apparently is I assumed he'd chosen the words he wanted to use. Regardless, I addressed that, too, albeit shortly, at the bottom of my post.
Next time, be more specific? It took me 5 minutes to make the "No" like that.
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Post by Disgruntled Misanthrope on Feb 12, 2005 17:28:22 GMT -5
Haha, Bass, I think you're thinking differently than what DM was. He meant for people with terminal illness. For that case, I think it definately should be allowed. Are we going to force a person to live through pain and suffering when it's evident he's going to die soon anyways? That's just cruel. *slaps DA twice* I said what I meant, and I meant what I said. An elephant's as honest as this comment is entirely irrelevant. If I had intended to say "for people diagnosed with terminal illnesses", I would have said "for people diagnosed with terminal illnesses."
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Post by DarkAngel on Feb 12, 2005 19:14:14 GMT -5
Oh. In that case...
I don't think making it legal is going to do anything, if a person really wants to kill themselves, they are going to do it. But yea, I agree with what Bass said.
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Post by piñata on Feb 14, 2005 13:00:27 GMT -5
Suicide is illegal? ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/549948/images/chjXwVVkkkVJdgsaEvGr.gif) I'd LOVE to see what penalty those Forking idiots came up with for it. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/549948/images/gJJRWaqDfDazeBsIjfcm.gif)
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Post by Static on Feb 14, 2005 15:32:47 GMT -5
Automatic relinquishment of life insurance.
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Post by piñata on Feb 14, 2005 18:01:31 GMT -5
Kind of along the lines of what I'd figured... of course they'd make it about money. Forking despicable. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/549948/images/OFVvmvovUBOAMkyNCfah.gif) Anyway, I think if you really want to die that much, it shouldn't be anyone else's place to stop you. I'm just uncomfortable from a civil rights standpoint with a blanket statement that suicide is bad. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) And let's not get started on the whole euthanasia shitstorm. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/549948/images/gJJRWaqDfDazeBsIjfcm.gif)
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Feb 14, 2005 21:09:19 GMT -5
Yes, they would make it about money. How else are you going to punish them? Lock them up? Give 'em the death penalty? Yeah, 'cause that makes sense.
And it should be illegal because it's STUPID, though quite honestly, a successful suicide isn't really punishable, but we shouldn't say "Oh, it's not bad" because that just encourages them. Way to desire positivity for humanity.
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Post by Static on Feb 14, 2005 22:23:31 GMT -5
Plus the fact that if you could just take out a big insurance policy on yourself and then kill yourself, insurance companies would go bankrupt.
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Feb 15, 2005 10:49:20 GMT -5
I was going to suggest that, but when you realize that a pretty good portion of suicides are whiny teenagers who think that because their boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with them and their parents don't shower them with praise and they actually have to TRY in school that life isn't worth living, it defeats the argument, because teens can't take out life insurance.
For the rest of the world, that is a viable argument.
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Post by piñata on Feb 15, 2005 12:13:29 GMT -5
I'd LOVE to see the entire insurance industry go under. They're evil bastards.
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Feb 15, 2005 16:45:43 GMT -5
So you'll be happy when some mother can't support her children because she was a housewife and her husband got into as accident and died, but didn't have life insurance because they didn't exist, and now the entire family's Forked? Or maybe when both parents die and the children are left with nothing. Wouldn't that be nice! Or maybe when you get into a major car accident that's the other guy's fault. You could sue talk to his insurance company to pay any of your medical costs and fix/pay off your car, but wait, he doesn't have it. Looks like a long-winded court case where you run lawyer costs through the roof, too, and then end up with the guy not paying you. Oh, and don't forget the fact that every doctor visit you'd have to pay all the money out of your pocket, because health insurance doesn't exist. So when you hurt your back or break your leg or gets some freaky STD, you have to pay for EVERYTHING. Thousands of dollars worth. OUT OF YOU POCKET. But you know what? Pinata's obviously right. Down with insurance companies, the evil bastards!
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Post by Disgruntled Misanthrope on Feb 15, 2005 16:57:57 GMT -5
I'll inject my thoughts here, seeing as I started the thread...
Suicide is, in my mind, okay. If you really, truly want to die, go ahead and kill yourself. Not that it's any of my business; what a person does with his or her own life is that person's business, and his or her's alone. As well, I think it inhibits freedom to outlaw suicide; If this is broadcast as the Land of the Free, why are we not able to freely take our own lives?
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Post by DarkAngel on Feb 15, 2005 23:07:41 GMT -5
Oh, and don't forget the fact that every doctor visit you'd have to pay all the money out of your pocket, because health insurance doesn't exist. So when you hurt your back or break your leg or gets some freaky STD, you have to pay for EVERYTHING. Thousands of dollars worth. OUT OF YOU POCKET. Oh Canada...our home and native land...
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Feb 15, 2005 23:54:13 GMT -5
[23:39] SuperBassX84: Canada has universal health care. [23:39] SuperBassX84: Meaning health insurance. [23:39] SuperBassX84: Meaning you don't pay all the money for doctor visits and shit out of your pocket. [23:39] SuperBassX84: Fool. [23:40] GodHatesYou1701: Meaning you pay nothing, and insurance has jack shit to do with anything. [23:40] SuperBassX84: Health [23:40] SuperBassX84: Insurance. [23:40] SuperBassX84: Pays [23:40] SuperBassX84: For [23:40] SuperBassX84: It [23:40] GodHatesYou1701: Uh, no. [23:40] SuperBassX84: -=Nods=- [23:40] GodHatesYou1701: You don't need insurance to receive free health-care. [23:40] GodHatesYou1701: *slap* [23:40] GodHatesYou1701: A lot of Canadians don't have insurance. [23:40] SuperBassX84: The cost of the healthcare is included in your taxes, right? [23:40] GodHatesYou1701: But they all get free health care. [23:40] GodHatesYou1701: Somewhat. [23:41] SuperBassX84: YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT [23:41] GodHatesYou1701: It mostly comes out of our military. [23:41] SuperBassX84: How does the military pay for healthcare? [23:41] SuperBassX84: Or do you mean cuts to military increase healthcare? [23:41] GodHatesYou1701: The government raped the budget for the military for healthcare increase. [23:41] SuperBassX84: In which case the military isn't paying for it, you are. [23:41] GodHatesYou1701: Yes. [23:41] GodHatesYou1701: I know. [23:41] GodHatesYou1701: But it's indirect. [23:41] SuperBassX84: No, it comes out of your taxes. [23:41] GodHatesYou1701: And a slightly higher tax rate is worth it. [23:41] SuperBassX84: Same as the military did. [23:41] SuperBassX84: YEs. [23:42] SuperBassX84: But the point I'm making is that health insurance still exists. [23:42] SuperBassX84: but as universal healthcare. [23:42] SuperBassX84: That everyone pays for. [23:42] GodHatesYou1701: I know. [23:42] GodHatesYou1701: Somewhat, I guess. [23:42] GodHatesYou1701: We still have health insurance here. [23:42] SuperBassX84: And I'm assuming you can get more coverage and better doctors and such if you have health insurance, no? [23:43] GodHatesYou1701: If you live outside Alberta it doesn't matter how much money you have or what policy you have. [23:43] GodHatesYou1701: A homeless person can receive medical treatment for free. [23:43] SuperBassX84: Ok, fine. [23:43] SuperBassX84: But health insurance does still exist in some form. [23:43] GodHatesYou1701: I guess. [23:44] SuperBassX84: I'm going to post this last bit on the 'Clave so that I don't have to retype it.
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Post by Elfie on Feb 16, 2005 0:02:20 GMT -5
Yes, the government runs health insurance so companies don't scalp you on something as fundamental as your health. Not only that, everyone gets it, so there's no one without coverage. Why? Because in Canada we consider health one of those fundamental inalienable rights, like your guys' "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness", so we don't let companies screw with it.
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Post by DarkAngel on Feb 16, 2005 0:14:03 GMT -5
Yes, the government runs health insurance so companies don't scalp you on something as fundamental as your health. Not only that, everyone gets it, so there's no one without coverage. Why? Because in Canada we consider health one of those fundamental inalienable rights, like your guys "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness", so we don't let companies screw with it. img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/bszwarz/can_wave.gif[/img]
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