Post by SuperBassX84 on Sept 24, 2004 13:31:47 GMT -5
greenmaster086: hello
SuperBassX84: Hi.
greenmaster086: i think i may have made a critical mistake With regards to the discussion in the clave. you haven't been introduced to the concept of common ownership yet, ahve you :-)
SuperBassX84: So do explain it to me.
greenmaster086: everyone owns everything. simple as that. no more private property. so no need for buying and selling.
SuperBassX84: -_-
SuperBassX84: Hey gm.
SuperBassX84: You're on my computer.
SuperBassX84: And my land.
SuperBassX84: Get off 'em
SuperBassX84: Now
greenmaster086: nope. :-)
SuperBassX84: Oh, that's right.
SuperBassX84: everyone owns it.
greenmaster086: not your freaking land dude. it is all of our land. and for the record, nuclear fusion will be here in 10 years at least.
SuperBassX84: Ok, well, I'm gonna come sleep there, as long as my entire family.
SuperBassX84: We wnat a vacation.
SuperBassX84: See ya in a few weeks.
SuperBassX84: as well as*
SuperBassX84: More appropriate?
greenmaster086: no reason why not, people won't be irrational and silly like you though. :-) not much will change in reality, it will just me that much more simple.
SuperBassX84: Hahaha.
SuperBassX84: People won't be irrational and silly?
SuperBassX84: HOW
greenmaster086: people aren't naturally stupid my friend, they will not take advantage of society, for they will only hurt themselves.
SuperBassX84: Hahaha.
SuperBassX84: People aren't stupid?
SuperBassX84: Pardon me.
SuperBassX84: Naturally stupid.
SuperBassX84: Again, I must disagree with you.
SuperBassX84: For you see, it's these same non-naturally stupid people that came up with your despised capitalism.
SuperBassX84: So your argument kinda dies.
greenmaster086: actually capitalism didn't just occur, it evolved out of feudalism and such like.
SuperBassX84: But still...it was created by the people who aren't naturally stupid. How could such an evil, destructive force come from such a normally smart group?
greenmaster086: because at that time it was the best system possible.
SuperBassX84: I mean, if socialism is so ingenius and perfect, why didn't we use that in the first place? Why haven't we already revolutionized?
greenmaster086: because back in 1900, there were not the methods of production available to support the entiretey of mankind, whereas now we can feed a shitload of people, and hydroponic farming is in the works, and that realyl will be fun.
greenmaster086: think about it, research doesn't need money, that is nonesensicial, it just needs to be done, taht is all.
greenmaster086: you suck for ahving white text on the clave dude, makes creatign replies on word a pain in the arse
greenmaster086: as for the lack of resources argument, that is bull, plain and simple.
SuperBassX84: hold on a sec.
SuperBassX84: brother needs my help.
SuperBassX84: hence my lack of response.
SuperBassX84: brb
greenmaster086: k
SuperBassX84: Lack of resources....so this wonderful world...all these automated things...they're gonna be powered by, what, magic?
SuperBassX84: As opposed to oil or natural gas or even coal.
greenmaster086: solar, tidal, wind, nuclear, nuclear fusion (IT WILL BE HERE), and god knows what else comes about by the time the revolution occurs.
SuperBassX84: Right. And as I said, don't plan on anything.
SuperBassX84: You don't think that a revolution is going to cause the destruction of research?
greenmaster086: no, you misunderstand the concept of the revolution we wish to bring about.
SuperBassX84: Probably.
SuperBassX84: Because when I think revolution, I don't think "Let's spread the word on the internet and people will wake up one day and go 'SOCIALISM!!! THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN MISSING IN MY LIFE!!!'"
greenmaster086: i never said it will just be the internet.
SuperBassX84: Regardless.
SuperBassX84: The only people who will buy into your hole-riddle bullshit propaganda are...SURPRISE!!!...SOCIALISTS!!!
greenmaster086: you have exposed the total of zero holes so far my friend :-)
SuperBassX84: Oh please.
SuperBassX84: How many arguments have you countered with "Society will regulate it" or "Peopel will keep it in check."
SuperBassX84: Those arguments are vague and full of crap.
greenmaster086: no, not really.
SuperBassX84: So Society...who is he?
SuperBassX84: I'm interesed.
greenmaster086: he is ambisexual. :-)
SuperBassX84: Ambisexual?
greenmaster086: both sexes. :-) no moer male power in socialism
SuperBassX84: Right.
SuperBassX84: So Society...who is this person?
SuperBassX84: Because people cannot govern themselves.
greenmaster086: again you play the advocate.
greenmaster086: who says?
SuperBassX84: Oh, I don't know, HISTORY
greenmaster086: history proves jack shit.
SuperBassX84: The ENTIRE HISTORY OF HUMAN EXISTENCE
SuperBassX84: ...
SuperBassX84: You must be joking.
SuperBassX84: History is essential.
greenmaster086: never in history has man NOT been oppresed by a class society.
SuperBassX84: If you're going to plan a revolution you better damn well know your history.
greenmaster086: in fact, for 90% of mans history man was a primitive communist. so suck that one.
SuperBassX84: So why didn't we stay that way?
greenmaster086: we invented farming. then we settled down, then somehow or other kings came about.
greenmaster086: we had to go this way round to develop society. we couldn't have stayed primitive communist.
SuperBassX84: Why not?
SuperBassX84: We did it.
SuperBassX84: Why couldn't we keep it?
SuperBassX84: Even though, you know, there wasn't the means to do so: "greenmaster086: because back in 1900, there were not the methods of production available to support the entiretey of mankind, whereas now we can feed a shitload of people, and hydroponic farming is in the works, and that realyl will be fun."
greenmaster086: because there is no way we could have developed society to waht it is now WITHOUT capitalism. but it has now outrun its usefulness.
SuperBassX84: Really? Has it? Because I see it still being useful.
SuperBassX84: I mean, you're talking to me on the internet right now, are you not?
SuperBassX84: The internet is run by capitalists.
SuperBassX84: OH MY GOD
greenmaster086: err not really. :-)
SuperBassX84: YOU'RE A CAPITALIST!!
SuperBassX84: Lord have mercy on us all, GM's really a capitalist!
greenmaster086: nope. i haven't introduced the class conflcit concept either have i.
greenmaster086: if i was a capitalist you would be the guy who drove my car punk :-)
SuperBassX84: Probalby not, but let's hear it so I can make a very well made argument and you can shoot it down with bullcrap and lies.
SuperBassX84: I doubt it.
SuperBassX84: I don't drive cars for hypocrites.
SuperBassX84: And you're definitely one of 'em
greenmaster086: bullcrap and lies. Wow, really receptive to new ideas aren't we.
greenmaster086: i am a hypocrite? please explain that one.
SuperBassX84: When they're good ideas, yes.
SuperBassX84: Do you have a job, gm?
SuperBassX84: Do you live in a house? Do you pay for your internet?
SuperBassX84: HAVE YOU EVER GIVEN A ForkING DIME TO CHARITY?
SuperBassX84: Have you ever gone to someone else's house and mowed their lawns and painted their shed becaues they couldn't/
SuperBassX84: I thought not.
SuperBassX84: You're too busy spewing your socialism on the internet.
greenmaster086: just drop it, you are goign nowhere.
SuperBassX84: Too busy to actually go out and practice what you preach.
SuperBassX84: So this revolution...
greenmaster086: HA! practice it within capitalism.
SuperBassX84: Now there's an idea.
SuperBassX84: Funny, I thought that's what Canada did.
greenmaster086: .....:-)
SuperBassX84: You know, Universal healthcare and such.
greenmaster086: soft state capitalism my friend.
SuperBassX84: Socialism within capitalism.
greenmaster086: no, welfare statism.
SuperBassX84: The difference?
SuperBassX84: Anyway...the point I was making before...
SuperBassX84: This revolution...
SuperBassX84: Who's going to lead it?
greenmaster086: 'sigh'. the welfare state is simply a capitalist masterpiece designed to keep the workers in a happy, healthy state, as the capitalists realsied that a happy, healthy workforce is amore productive workforce, and thus a moer profitable one.
greenmaster086: no one leads it. unless another guevara turns up.
SuperBassX84: ...
SuperBassX84: No one leads a revolution?
greenmaster086: no need for leaders. :-) we are nto seehp
SuperBassX84: Ok, Mr. History = crap...name me 2 revolutions that have gone off WITHOUT leaders.
SuperBassX84: -=Waits patiently=-
SuperBassX84: Hi.
greenmaster086: i think i may have made a critical mistake With regards to the discussion in the clave. you haven't been introduced to the concept of common ownership yet, ahve you :-)
SuperBassX84: So do explain it to me.
greenmaster086: everyone owns everything. simple as that. no more private property. so no need for buying and selling.
SuperBassX84: -_-
SuperBassX84: Hey gm.
SuperBassX84: You're on my computer.
SuperBassX84: And my land.
SuperBassX84: Get off 'em
SuperBassX84: Now
greenmaster086: nope. :-)
SuperBassX84: Oh, that's right.
SuperBassX84: everyone owns it.
greenmaster086: not your freaking land dude. it is all of our land. and for the record, nuclear fusion will be here in 10 years at least.
SuperBassX84: Ok, well, I'm gonna come sleep there, as long as my entire family.
SuperBassX84: We wnat a vacation.
SuperBassX84: See ya in a few weeks.
SuperBassX84: as well as*
SuperBassX84: More appropriate?
greenmaster086: no reason why not, people won't be irrational and silly like you though. :-) not much will change in reality, it will just me that much more simple.
SuperBassX84: Hahaha.
SuperBassX84: People won't be irrational and silly?
SuperBassX84: HOW
greenmaster086: people aren't naturally stupid my friend, they will not take advantage of society, for they will only hurt themselves.
SuperBassX84: Hahaha.
SuperBassX84: People aren't stupid?
SuperBassX84: Pardon me.
SuperBassX84: Naturally stupid.
SuperBassX84: Again, I must disagree with you.
SuperBassX84: For you see, it's these same non-naturally stupid people that came up with your despised capitalism.
SuperBassX84: So your argument kinda dies.
greenmaster086: actually capitalism didn't just occur, it evolved out of feudalism and such like.
SuperBassX84: But still...it was created by the people who aren't naturally stupid. How could such an evil, destructive force come from such a normally smart group?
greenmaster086: because at that time it was the best system possible.
SuperBassX84: I mean, if socialism is so ingenius and perfect, why didn't we use that in the first place? Why haven't we already revolutionized?
greenmaster086: because back in 1900, there were not the methods of production available to support the entiretey of mankind, whereas now we can feed a shitload of people, and hydroponic farming is in the works, and that realyl will be fun.
greenmaster086: think about it, research doesn't need money, that is nonesensicial, it just needs to be done, taht is all.
greenmaster086: you suck for ahving white text on the clave dude, makes creatign replies on word a pain in the arse
greenmaster086: as for the lack of resources argument, that is bull, plain and simple.
SuperBassX84: hold on a sec.
SuperBassX84: brother needs my help.
SuperBassX84: hence my lack of response.
SuperBassX84: brb
greenmaster086: k
SuperBassX84: Lack of resources....so this wonderful world...all these automated things...they're gonna be powered by, what, magic?
SuperBassX84: As opposed to oil or natural gas or even coal.
greenmaster086: solar, tidal, wind, nuclear, nuclear fusion (IT WILL BE HERE), and god knows what else comes about by the time the revolution occurs.
SuperBassX84: Right. And as I said, don't plan on anything.
SuperBassX84: You don't think that a revolution is going to cause the destruction of research?
greenmaster086: no, you misunderstand the concept of the revolution we wish to bring about.
SuperBassX84: Probably.
SuperBassX84: Because when I think revolution, I don't think "Let's spread the word on the internet and people will wake up one day and go 'SOCIALISM!!! THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN MISSING IN MY LIFE!!!'"
greenmaster086: i never said it will just be the internet.
SuperBassX84: Regardless.
SuperBassX84: The only people who will buy into your hole-riddle bullshit propaganda are...SURPRISE!!!...SOCIALISTS!!!
greenmaster086: you have exposed the total of zero holes so far my friend :-)
SuperBassX84: Oh please.
SuperBassX84: How many arguments have you countered with "Society will regulate it" or "Peopel will keep it in check."
SuperBassX84: Those arguments are vague and full of crap.
greenmaster086: no, not really.
SuperBassX84: So Society...who is he?
SuperBassX84: I'm interesed.
greenmaster086: he is ambisexual. :-)
SuperBassX84: Ambisexual?
greenmaster086: both sexes. :-) no moer male power in socialism
SuperBassX84: Right.
SuperBassX84: So Society...who is this person?
SuperBassX84: Because people cannot govern themselves.
greenmaster086: again you play the advocate.
greenmaster086: who says?
SuperBassX84: Oh, I don't know, HISTORY
greenmaster086: history proves jack shit.
SuperBassX84: The ENTIRE HISTORY OF HUMAN EXISTENCE
SuperBassX84: ...
SuperBassX84: You must be joking.
SuperBassX84: History is essential.
greenmaster086: never in history has man NOT been oppresed by a class society.
SuperBassX84: If you're going to plan a revolution you better damn well know your history.
greenmaster086: in fact, for 90% of mans history man was a primitive communist. so suck that one.
SuperBassX84: So why didn't we stay that way?
greenmaster086: we invented farming. then we settled down, then somehow or other kings came about.
greenmaster086: we had to go this way round to develop society. we couldn't have stayed primitive communist.
SuperBassX84: Why not?
SuperBassX84: We did it.
SuperBassX84: Why couldn't we keep it?
SuperBassX84: Even though, you know, there wasn't the means to do so: "greenmaster086: because back in 1900, there were not the methods of production available to support the entiretey of mankind, whereas now we can feed a shitload of people, and hydroponic farming is in the works, and that realyl will be fun."
greenmaster086: because there is no way we could have developed society to waht it is now WITHOUT capitalism. but it has now outrun its usefulness.
SuperBassX84: Really? Has it? Because I see it still being useful.
SuperBassX84: I mean, you're talking to me on the internet right now, are you not?
SuperBassX84: The internet is run by capitalists.
SuperBassX84: OH MY GOD
greenmaster086: err not really. :-)
SuperBassX84: YOU'RE A CAPITALIST!!
SuperBassX84: Lord have mercy on us all, GM's really a capitalist!
greenmaster086: nope. i haven't introduced the class conflcit concept either have i.
greenmaster086: if i was a capitalist you would be the guy who drove my car punk :-)
SuperBassX84: Probalby not, but let's hear it so I can make a very well made argument and you can shoot it down with bullcrap and lies.
SuperBassX84: I doubt it.
SuperBassX84: I don't drive cars for hypocrites.
SuperBassX84: And you're definitely one of 'em
greenmaster086: bullcrap and lies. Wow, really receptive to new ideas aren't we.
greenmaster086: i am a hypocrite? please explain that one.
SuperBassX84: When they're good ideas, yes.
SuperBassX84: Do you have a job, gm?
SuperBassX84: Do you live in a house? Do you pay for your internet?
SuperBassX84: HAVE YOU EVER GIVEN A ForkING DIME TO CHARITY?
SuperBassX84: Have you ever gone to someone else's house and mowed their lawns and painted their shed becaues they couldn't/
SuperBassX84: I thought not.
SuperBassX84: You're too busy spewing your socialism on the internet.
greenmaster086: just drop it, you are goign nowhere.
SuperBassX84: Too busy to actually go out and practice what you preach.
SuperBassX84: So this revolution...
greenmaster086: HA! practice it within capitalism.
SuperBassX84: Now there's an idea.
SuperBassX84: Funny, I thought that's what Canada did.
greenmaster086: .....:-)
SuperBassX84: You know, Universal healthcare and such.
greenmaster086: soft state capitalism my friend.
SuperBassX84: Socialism within capitalism.
greenmaster086: no, welfare statism.
SuperBassX84: The difference?
SuperBassX84: Anyway...the point I was making before...
SuperBassX84: This revolution...
SuperBassX84: Who's going to lead it?
greenmaster086: 'sigh'. the welfare state is simply a capitalist masterpiece designed to keep the workers in a happy, healthy state, as the capitalists realsied that a happy, healthy workforce is amore productive workforce, and thus a moer profitable one.
greenmaster086: no one leads it. unless another guevara turns up.
SuperBassX84: ...
SuperBassX84: No one leads a revolution?
greenmaster086: no need for leaders. :-) we are nto seehp
SuperBassX84: Ok, Mr. History = crap...name me 2 revolutions that have gone off WITHOUT leaders.
SuperBassX84: -=Waits patiently=-