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Post by Ape on Apr 9, 2008 8:50:23 GMT -5
Nah, it isn't. A week before official previews started Mark Rosewater posted some of his little teasers. He said a card would have "+20/+20" in its text. Plus, that art was leaked a long time ago, we just didn't have the card to go with it. So its real. Did you know I still havn't bought any Morningtide, and probably won't?
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 9, 2008 19:27:41 GMT -5
No, I is shocked! Why not?
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Post by Ape on Apr 10, 2008 8:37:11 GMT -5
Because, if I go buy a pack right now, every single card in it will be completely useless. All the cards in it are only good unless you use them with other cards in the same block. It doesn't help that during the Onslaught block, I traded all my elves and goblins for zombies. So now the elves and goblins in Lorwyn are just as useless to me as Faeries and Kithkin, plus, THERE ARE NO ZOMBIES! If there were zombies, i'd be buying lots of it. Even if they wre happy zombies. =P Is it funny that I was so excited about it being a tribal block only to have it be the worst part about the block? >_<
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 10, 2008 19:09:16 GMT -5
Sort of! Why don't you just use them with tribal cards you already have?
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Post by Ape on Apr 11, 2008 19:41:41 GMT -5
Because I traded all my elves and goblins back in onslaught for zombies(and various other things, those things trade for gold ) so I can't use those tribes. And I don't have previous tribal faeries/kithkin/elementals/etc because I don't have any (largely because they don't exist. ) Shadowmoor is going to be awesome though, right?
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 11, 2008 19:53:03 GMT -5
Yes! Favourite card from Shadowmoor?
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Post by Ape on Apr 15, 2008 10:44:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure, but out of the officially previewed ones on that page I linked to (and not all the leaks) I think my favorites are: Puncture Bolt Deus of Calamity (5 mana 6/6 trampler? Yes please) Wilt-Leaf Leige Wild-Leaf Cavaliers Demigod of Revenge
Do you think Hybrid cards are undercosted? I can see multi-color cards being undercosted, because you are forced to use all the colors of the cards. But since you can use hybrid in both its mono-colors and its hybrid color, you'd think they'd be a little less powerful.
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 15, 2008 17:18:26 GMT -5
Not if there's a high amount of colored mana symbols in the cost.
Do you agree with that?
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Post by Ape on Apr 15, 2008 18:45:32 GMT -5
I think its just the opposite, the more colored mana symbols, the more open it is. For example, lets looke at 2 different versions of a burn spell. Burn Spell 1 (B)(R) Instant Deal 3 damage
Burn Spell 2 (B/R) (B/R) Instant Deal 3 damage
The first one, you are forced to run it in only a black and red deck. You can't run it in a mono-red deck. You can't run it in a mono-black deck. You are forced to play it in red/black. For this, it can be more powerful, because it is more narrow. It can only be used to combo with black and red cards (You can combo it with the other 3 colors, but then you have to run a 3 color deck, Black/Red/and the other color)
Card 2 can be played not only in a black and red deck, but also in mono-red and mono-black. Not only that, but it can be added easily into a black and green deck or a red and whit deck or whatever. You can't use card 1 in a black and green deck easily, you would have to use black/red/green. So Hybrid is much more open than multi-color.
You can even argue that they are better than mono-color. A green card can only be used in a green deck. It doesn't matter what you do, if you are playing a green card, you usually need green mana. A hybrid green/white can be played as mono-green AND mono-white, so its actually more versatile than a mono-colored card. For example. Incinerate (1)(R) Instant Deal 3 damage
Incinerate (1) (B/R) Instant Deal 4 damage
Incenerate 1 has to be played in a red deck. Incinerate 2 is not only better because its stronger, but can be played in red OR black.
Was that enough letters?
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 16, 2008 7:34:52 GMT -5
The multicolored spell Lightning Helix allows you to gain 3 life in addition to 3 damage so it is better, and there is no 4 damage spell for 2 as far as I know? Now do you think they're not as broken as you thought they were?
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Post by Ape on Apr 16, 2008 10:57:19 GMT -5
No, you demonstrated part of my point I think. Lightning Helix is more powerful because its multi-colored. Multcolored spells SHOULD be more powerful, because you are forced to use it in a red AND white deck. If Lightning Helix was hybrid, meaning its cost was (R/W) (R/W) instead of (R)(W) then it would be alot more useful. You could play it in a red deck, a white deck, or a red AND white deck like the proper Lightning Helix. If I play Lightning Helix, I can't play it in a red/green deck. Or a white/black deck. But if it was hybrid, I could. Remember, hybrid cards aren't multicolor. They can be played as either color. Look at these 2 cards. I can run these 2 cards in a mono-red deck. If these 2 cards were mutlicolor, I would have to build a black/red/green deck. But since they aren't, I can run them both in a mono red deck together, paying 5 red mana for both (and since its mono-red, paying 5 red mana is no problem.) So, I personally think they are a little bit more powerful than they should be. But I'm not complaining of course. Do you get where I'm coming from now?
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 16, 2008 19:26:46 GMT -5
No. Can you guess what I am now?
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Post by Ape on Apr 17, 2008 11:56:34 GMT -5
Confused of course! Why can't I find that magic artist that did the metal album now?
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Post by Ape on Apr 17, 2008 12:12:09 GMT -5
Double post (Hey, post counts don't count here anyways!) I found it!! www.rootofallevil.com/label/catalogue/Rootofallevil.htmlThe CD is SOMNUS - Awakening the Crown, and the artist is Matt Cavotta. I can't believe I forgot it was him. He actually wrote the Taste the Magic articles on the main Wizards site. Not sure why I forgot that.
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 17, 2008 19:10:49 GMT -5
Because you found it later! How'd you find out about that?
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Post by Ape on Apr 18, 2008 5:59:10 GMT -5
I was actually looking to see if there was any place that sold magic art. More specifically, Ice Age Abyssal Specter or Mind Swords. So my google search of "Magic Art for Sale" resulted in the "CD sale .... Cover art by magic artist.." and stumbled on that. I almost bought that CD once too >_< Will my Magus of the Abyss + Bitterblossom lockdown deck work well or fail terribly?
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 18, 2008 7:18:59 GMT -5
It's just like the Smokestack/Breeding Pit combo, so yes! Have you tried it yet?
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Post by Ape on Apr 18, 2008 9:38:07 GMT -5
I built a quick Black/White deck built around it (with Magus of the Moat in case I couldn't get Magus of the Abyss and a bunch of flyers(Oona's Prowler, Aven Riftwatcher, etc)) I won all 3 games, but I never got the combo out, and all 3 people I played either sucked or had really bad luck, because none of the decks I played did very well(or maybe this deck is just kicking ass) *shrug* I actually have 3 versions. This version, a Black/Red version with alot of burn and Manabarbs. And then a monoblack version with a ton of early creature control(+Nihilith) to keep things off the board until I can get the combo up. Note: You should download Magic Workstation. Were you around when we attempted to have a Concalve tournament on MWS and failed? ;D
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Post by Sean2K on Apr 18, 2008 23:19:22 GMT -5
I joined March 2005. Was it before then? Are you glad I finally unlocked Sonic in Smash Bros?
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Post by Ape on Apr 19, 2008 7:04:54 GMT -5
I don't remember, but I think it was a little earlier than that...but, I'm not sure *shrug* Yea, awesome. I hope sonic is good, because all his games that have been released in the past, oh, 10 years have all sucked! HOLY MONKEY Fork MCFEE! Have you seen the Reaper King??? Thats the craziest Forking mana cost ever!!! I think it helps demonstrate the point I was trying to make before though. If this was multi-color, you would have to pay all 5 colors for it. Since it is hybrid, you can pay 4BWG for it. Or 6WU. Or 2WGBR. Or hell, you could pay 10 colorless for it, or in a mono-green deck for 8G. Do you see what I mean? A monocolor red card MUST be played in a red deck. A mutlicolor 5-color card MUST be played in a 5-color deck. This thing can be played in any color combination imaginable. Does that help?
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