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Post by SuperBassX84 on Mar 22, 2004 11:17:17 GMT -5
Pantless wedding ceremonies...I like it!
Speaking of wedding ceremonies... If gays were to get married, would there be a "bride" and a "groom," or just 2 grooms? If there was a "bride" would he, in fact, wear the bride's dress, or just a suit, making him more like a groom than a bride? These are serious concerns, people. I need to know such useless information immediately!
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Post by Static Burn on Mar 22, 2004 15:11:29 GMT -5
Last year in religion class they made us watch some movie, and part of it was a... I don't know what it'd be called, but it was essentially a unity ceremony for 2 gay guys, looked like a wedding, and both of them were wearing suits or tuxes or something along those lines. So, I guess that answers your question.
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Post by kemykal on Mar 22, 2004 18:31:46 GMT -5
they wear what they wish. sometimes you will see both in tuxes, or even both in dresses. there is no "rule" that says that one member of the couple is to wear a dress and the other a tux. hell, they could get married nude as long as the place and people that are holding the ceremony allow it.
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Post by DarkAngel on Mar 29, 2004 10:59:50 GMT -5
No....comment...just none
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Post by Lauren on Apr 5, 2004 15:58:51 GMT -5
Like alicia I was brought up knowing that homosexuality is wrong. I do not think they should be able to get married, and I agree with bush. Why does everyone hate him so?
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Post by piñata on Apr 5, 2004 17:05:40 GMT -5
Because he keeps wiping his ass with the Bill of Rights.
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Post by Alicia on Apr 5, 2004 18:42:22 GMT -5
It's called equality. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they shouldn't have the rights that straight people have. And the fact that Bush is saying "God thinks homosexual marriage is wrong" is bullshit. Which god? So the christian god thinks homosexual marriage is wrong. Just because Bush was raised as a Christian certainly doesn't mean the government should be based on his religion. It's called seperation of church and state, any numbnut with half a brain knows it's needed. Bush isn't really taking it into concern. People don't like Bush for different reasons. I've asked you why you don't like Gore and got basically "cause he's an idiot". I, too, do not like Al Gore. My point is that gay marriage should be allowed simply because no valid arguement has been made against it.
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Post by Lauren on Apr 5, 2004 18:55:23 GMT -5
Like it or not our whole government was based on cristianity. As for god thinking that being homosexual is wrong... wich god? I cannot think of one religion (unless its that new gay religion lol)that does not think that homosexuality is wrong... but I am from manor and my sources are limited. Also Marriage by definition is 1. a. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife. Hmmm... don't see husband and husband or wife and wife in there. I am all for civil unions... but NOT gay marriage.
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Post by Static Burn on Apr 5, 2004 18:57:23 GMT -5
A month or 2 ago, I was watching the news (CNN to be specific), and a spokesperson for Bush was arguing with a spokesperson for Kerry. At the end, the moderator said something along the lines of "We know where Bush stands on homosexual marriages, where does Kerry stand?". Kerry's guy responded by saying that Kerry does not support them. How many people think that he'll change his opinion before November?
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 5, 2004 19:02:20 GMT -5
-=Raises his hand=-
At least once.
He's changed his mind on every other issue I've heard about, why not this one?
Personally, I'd rather have a president who had the balls to make a decision and be wrong then a president who flip-flopped on an issue until people forgot about it. I can't stand indecisiveness. Or indecisive people for that matter.
Not that my entire vote will be based on that (indecisiveness or gay marriage, your pick), but both play small roles.
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Post by Lauren on Apr 5, 2004 19:05:14 GMT -5
Ok a few things on Kerry... Whoever said kerry is republican I think Morb... Is way wrong. He is a liberal democrat. So he is very far away from being republican. I could live with clinton, at least he was decent looking... but Kerry? God! Kerry will change his statement I almost guarantee it.
Kerry... Isn't that a girls name? lol
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Post by Alicia on Apr 5, 2004 19:36:25 GMT -5
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get -- Matthew 7 : 1 That's also in the bible...I once was a church goer. Okay so Christianity thinks homosexuals are wrong. This annoys the crap out of me. Who the hell cares? Who says there is a god? My friend practiced a religion that was open to homosexuals. i don't practice religion for quite a few reasons. Who the Fork are these group of people to tell others how to live their lives? FOund an article on this subject i liked... I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify? I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? Oh, Lauren, which is better, letting gays adopt a child or letting that child rot in a children's home for 18 years?
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Post by Static Burn on Apr 5, 2004 20:04:00 GMT -5
Many of the laws stated in the earlier books of the Torah/Old Testament were enstated for practicality/survival, and are nearly impossible to follow today.
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Post by Lauren on Apr 5, 2004 20:14:23 GMT -5
fo' yo' infomation... most don't go to childrens homes. Most go to foster care. I think you know I would rather see people in*foster care* be adopted. If they're gay peeps than thats fine with me... There usually richer any way lol. After seeing the hell Jay went through... I could never say that foster care is better than anything. PRISON is better. At least they can be stable and have friends and not be torn apart. And as for that article thingy My teen bible says: " What makes reading the bible a challange? It was written in a diffrent culture that's why some of the concepts and behaviors seem foreign to us. We have to figure out the feelings and convictions behind those concepts and behaivors and how they might work today" In other words... dearcousin, some things are out-dated like slavery Also most (or all rather)of those quotes were taken from the OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus died to save those working on the sabbath day. What does god say about homosexual behaivor? You shall not lie (do the nasty ie laundry) with a male as with a woman(he was talking to the guys)-Leviticus 18:22 When is sex perverted? As they were enjoying themselves, suddenly certian men, perverted men surrounded the house and beat on the door. They spoke to the master of the house, the old man saying "bring out the man that came to your house so we may know him carnally!( Relating to the physical and especially sexual appetites: carnal desire) The point was god called them perverted - Judges 19:22 as for judging Who is the ulimate authority to judge? But the lord has endured forever; he has prepared his throne for judgement. He shall judge the world in righteousness And he shall administer judgement for the peoples in uprightness- Psalms 9:7,8 See my god already judged for me I do not judge by myself. See I am STILL a church goer!
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Post by Alicia on Apr 5, 2004 20:37:16 GMT -5
you think gay adoption is okay. Did you know alot of states don't let you adopt unless your married? Why shouldn't gay people get tax cuts and such?
From now on women who cheat on their husbands will be beaten to death as brutal as possible. Is that okay with everyone? After all men have to defend their families honor correct? You can't base our governments policies on any one religion because there are always people who don't fit in there.
You accuse people of being closed-minded or somethign simply because theyve said they don't like Bush. You however are being closed minded because your church tells you something. This is why I hate religion. Gay people aren't hurting anyone.Granted some gay people make out in streets and stuff and it upsets people. Yet straight people do the same things. I did it yesterday yet I'm not being shunned from society. Most gay people are very private though...it just isn't right.
So? One reason it's wrong not involving god?
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Post by Lauren on Apr 5, 2004 21:06:57 GMT -5
As for the states rules for adopting- I have said Im all for civil unions. And the stoning to death... You obviously didn't read either my or static's response to the other one you wrote similar to that so i will repeat. THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT!!! BACK THEN THE PUNISHMENT FOR SIN WAS DEATH! jESUS DIED IN ORDER TO STOP THAT. Here are some reasons outside religion- 1.)They are denying the human race- because they cannot produce more people. 2.) Why were two sexes created? Instead of one? I Know lets consider masturbation a sexuality! 3.) Key and hole theroy. lol
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Post by Alicia on Apr 5, 2004 21:19:52 GMT -5
God, you seem so simple minded. If you'd read my first post there you'd understand. Get your facts straight. i said I was taught it was wrong. In my personal belief it's wrong, it's wrong in the eye's of god. But we aren't supposed to base our government on god.
And I did read your post, and Static's, I wasn't talkign about the old testament so cool it with your CAPS. I was talkign about other religions. They kill their wifes, brutally as possible in order to restore family honor.
They aren't denying the human race. You don't think there's enough f0rking babies on this planet yet? There are still straight people to make babies. Oh, Lauren, from now on were going to pray 5 times a day, in school, facing Mecca. You have to. Otherwise you cannot get an education.
That's the same as saying you can't get married unless your straight, oh and BTW there are uhhh other holes. So I wouldn't use that as an arguement. And civil unions don't get them the privledge of adoption.
Two sexes were created to reproduce. Everytime people have sex it isn't to reproduce is it? What use are condoms?
There go all three of your theories, and I'm not "our own little Kerry" Don't take things out of context before you've read all I have to say.
Im disgusted by the idea of gay marriage. I was taught it was wrong, that's what I believe. My parents are also Catholic, so you can see where that idea comes from. My father and I recently had an arguement about this topic. While I think gay marriage is disgusting, any arguement made is based on the idea that it's against god, or that marriage was not made for two people of the same sex. God has absolutely no place in the government. Yes, I'm aware when the government was created it was under god, but since then god has been taken out of government, so it doesn't matter what is right in the eye's of god.
See?
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 5, 2004 23:23:15 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to agree with Alicia here. Lauren, you came in and said that all that people are doing is smack-talking, but that's all you've done yourself.
God has no place in the government. None. Yes, our government says "under God" and such, but that is only because God is a general term. If you're Muslim, God = Allah. If you're Christian, God = God. If you're Hindu, God = Vishnu or whatever the other one is. I know Vishnu's one of them. There's three, I believe. ANYWAY...
The point I'm trying to make is that Bush is far too religious. I don't think he's a bad president, but he's wrong for trying to bring religion into the government so much. Separation of church and state is one of the main points in this country, as is religious freedom. By expressing VERY Christian views and trying to impress some of them on the average citizen, Bush is breaking that rule.
PS - Masturbation's not a sexuality? Damn. That means that, like, half of us are screwz0red.
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Post by Alicia on Apr 6, 2004 8:57:58 GMT -5
Or not screwed...Hehehe
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Post by Lauren on Apr 6, 2004 11:27:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry...he he I did take that out of context. Thought you wouldn't catch it. I get your point and I sort of agree. So I know change my opinion to:
I agree with gay marraige outside of the church... like by a judge. But if it's by a priest...thats wrong.
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