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Post by FFVImaster on May 1, 2004 7:55:19 GMT -5
Okay, yeah I'm an atheist. I think that everyone should have the same rights. People who are married have special health proxies, it's easier to buy a home together, etc. It is also not just because they want to be married. If gay marriage is accepted, then gays will know they are accepted as human beings. If gay marriage is ultimatley rejected, gays will know that this country hates them. It is a horrible thought, that there is so much hate in a country where everyone is supposed to be equal.
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Post by Elfie on May 1, 2004 18:59:54 GMT -5
I stayed out of this for a while because its becoming exactly what the title says it would. I'll tell you right now that I'm in favour of gay marriage, so there's no doubt that I am indeed biased. Having said that though, I find a lot of contradicitons in Lauren's arguments, which I think I'll go through because I can: First, coming to us from the same post: Also most (or all rather)of those quotes were taken from the OLD TESTAMENT. and You shall not lie (do the nasty ie laundry) with a male as with a woman(he was talking to the guys)-Leviticus 18:22 Right, and excuse my sarcasm, but which Testament was Leviticus from again? Second, we've got three points against homosexual marriage: 1.)They are denying the human race- because they cannot produce more people. 2.) Why were two sexes created? Instead of one? I Know lets consider masturbation a sexuality! 3.) Key and hole theroy. lol Okay: 1) They're not going to become heterosexuals because they can't get married, so regardless of whether or not they can get married, they still aren't producing more people. 2) This point doesn't really make sense. I'll listen to it if its rephrased, but if its another variation on the whole "unnatural" argument, I would point to the computer that everyone here is using to make points. 3) Okay...um...what? Is this just a rehash of the second point? Third, we have a concession: I agree with gay marraige outside of the church... like by a judge. But if it's by a priest...thats wrong. What about the United Church (my church), that has decided to go against the exact wording of the bible and favours gay marriage because they believe it to be just? Are you saying that my church should not be able to dictate its own policies? Fourth, the purpose of sex: And Alicia: Why do we have condoms? There is only one use for sex. To Make offspring. The definition of sex was twisted and perverted through time to mean something toatally new. I mean you don't see dogs having sex (not that I am comparing us to dogs) Just for the hell of it. If you accept this, you must also accept the following argument that used to be followed by the church: Infertile people may not marry. The purpose of marriage is sex. The purpose of sex is offspring. If infertile people can't produce offspring, they would be having sex only for pleasure, which is a sin. Following that logic, they would be getting married for the purpose of pleasure, which is a sin. Thus, the (I think Catholic) church concluded that infertile people should not be allowed marriage. They rejected that theory over time though, which leaves me with the question: how is gay marriage different? Fifth, and I believe finally: The only reason I don't like gay marriage is because you can't change a definition of a word after hundreds of years. Well yes you can. For hundreds of years "man" meant "white men". That changed. It was a good thing it changed. Interestingly enough, think back to what words like "gay" and "queer" used to mean. Quite different from right now, if you ask me. In fact, someday we might even revert back to those definitions, and then "Gay Pride" parades will seem kind of silly, because people would just think they were proud of being happy. Abe Lincoln once said that a law is only valid if it is just. The current marriage laws are unjust to gay people. The current definition of marriage denies gay people the same rights as straight people, which Canada has recognized as a violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. However, even if you aren't Canadian, the American marriage law should not apply because it is an injustice to gay people.
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Post by (LK) on May 1, 2004 21:49:08 GMT -5
Condoms are also to help slow down the spread of aids, i think
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Post by Buddha on May 8, 2004 0:12:29 GMT -5
This really is the SH!T STORM. Amazing how we can change topics so quickly isn't it? Gay marriage to sex..to craptacular presidents...to ignorance...to sex...to HIV? I say gay sex is ok, if like all other sex, done privately. Gay marriage is also ok in my opinion. But here's something to think about: Humans having sex with animals. I'm sure we've all seen our various pornos. Dogs...horses..yeah. Aren't scientists trying to get 2 different species of animals to reproduce? Man..I'm tired. G'night
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Post by (LK) on May 8, 2004 0:24:46 GMT -5
budha> Lauren said that sex is only for reproduction and that's why we have condoms, meaning (to her) that they're only for heterosexual erm, things... But then I stated that they're also meant for to uh, stop the spread of std's and..
yeah, i'm kinda tired too, i hope i got my message out.. Though i do agree with you, it did change subjects alot, and as you can see, i didn't post alot in this thread, meaning it's a pretty big Sh!t storm so to speak:-/
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Post by DarkAngel on May 8, 2004 14:17:46 GMT -5
Hey, animals can be gay too...one time at the zoo i saw a guy goat jump on another guy goat and...you know...get it on Shaggy style.
Yes, Dolphins are the only other proven animal to have sex for pleasure, a pigs orgasm lasts 30 mins, and monkeys are funny.
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Post by (LK) on May 8, 2004 14:36:19 GMT -5
are you sure those goats were gay?
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Post by SuperBassX84 on May 8, 2004 15:28:38 GMT -5
I can vouch for DA's point. I had two female dogs (one recently had to be put to sleep). The bigger outside dog would hump the smaller, inside dog. We'd yell at them, but they wouldn't stop.
Hmm...we'd try to get them to stop, but they wouldn't. A sign from the Gods? Or just really, really, weird?
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Post by (LK) on May 8, 2004 15:30:01 GMT -5
wierd dude, just plain wierd...
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Post by Buddha on May 9, 2004 18:10:13 GMT -5
Weird..or tasty?
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Post by DarkAngel on May 9, 2004 18:49:29 GMT -5
Tasty...or kinky? Ok ok ok. So what are we going to do, ban gay animals?
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Post by Buddha on May 10, 2004 15:38:15 GMT -5
Ban the gay animals...doesn't sound easy.
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Post by (LK) on May 10, 2004 16:34:13 GMT -5
that just plain sounds ignorant and retarded, wow banning the animals , that sounds like an act of good ol' fantical christian thinking Witch trials ring a bell?
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Post by Elfie on May 10, 2004 16:46:27 GMT -5
Actually, in this case it doesn't. What's your reference to the witch trials supposed to mean? I don't see it.
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Post by (LK) on May 10, 2004 16:56:30 GMT -5
well for one thing it was very stupid 2 their trials were ridicously retarded i mean, one way or another, that person's going to die they burnt them to the stake because it was "unchristian" or something, talk about a forgiving god what i'm trying to say is (and without making a lengthy post flaming you) that banning gay animals reflects the same ignorance from those witch trials
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Post by Elfie on May 10, 2004 16:58:34 GMT -5
Oh, you just mean in the stupidity category. I guess that works, but there are so many examples of stupidity that I found it strange you'd use that one.
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Post by (LK) on May 10, 2004 17:00:24 GMT -5
the only one I could think of involving the church at the moment, you know how much i love bashing them ;D, wow i actually found a use for that smily, go figure
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Post by Buddha on May 10, 2004 18:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by DarkAngel on May 11, 2004 15:22:36 GMT -5
Monty Python's witch finding system > All.
If a person weighs as much as a duck, then they float. If they float they are made out of wood, if they are made out of wood they burn. If they burn they are a witch.
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Post by Buddha on May 11, 2004 21:20:42 GMT -5
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