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Post by Static Burn on Apr 26, 2004 17:28:31 GMT -5
Yes, this is one of those topics that is based on pure opinion rather than fact. Some people see it as the most evil practice in existance, some see it as a necessary evil, and others view it as a straight out right (which I personally can't even comprehend but whatever)
But, one thing that I still find interesting is that the right to have an abortion was granted by the Supreme Court, yet it is not within the Supreme Court's power to grant such rights, so technically abortion is a right that was granted illegally and should not have been upheld.
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Post by (LK) on Apr 26, 2004 17:56:55 GMT -5
Yes, this is one of those topics that is based on pure opinion rather than fact. Some people see it as the most evil practice in existance, some see it as a necessary evil, and others view it as a straight out right (which I personally can't even comprehend but whatever) But, one thing that I still find interesting is that the right to have an abortion was granted by the Supreme Court, yet it is not within the Supreme Court's power to grant such rights, so technically abortion is a right that was granted illegally and should not have been upheld. yet it was ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 26, 2004 20:28:20 GMT -5
Alicia, first of all, don't tell me to give out point. I determine when points are given out. However, being my protégé you do have a certain sway. Thusly...5 pts. for LK!!!
And Kemy, I realize he only has my best interests at heart, but my mother has those same interests at heart as well. She, however, lives in reality, and realizes that at age 19 I'm more than likely having sex. She also realize that my 18 year old sister is having sex with her boyfriend of over 2 years. My Dad, on the other hand, still refuses to acknowledge that I'm having sex, much less my sister. Good intentions or not, his grip on reality is a bit lacking.
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Post by Lauren on Apr 27, 2004 15:50:23 GMT -5
If your responsible enough to have sex, than shouldn't you be responsible enough to have a kid? Also you don't have to raise the kid, there is adoption.
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 27, 2004 16:02:26 GMT -5
Sadly, no, most people who have sex aren't responsible enough for children, even if they are responsible enough to have sex.
Responsibility comes with taking proper precautions, such as condoms and the like. Should we force those who are responsible enough to have the children on a fluke? I don't think so.
Likewise, bad things happen, such as rape. Should we force a woman who is raped to go through 9 months of annoyance plus the pain of childbirth? I think not.
Should we force a teenage girl who made a foolish mistake to go through the same problems AND the punishment of being outcast and looked down upon? No. If said girl ends up getting pregnant again, then you have to consider it, but a 1-time mistake is no reason to force all that upon her.
However, should it happen to a person of enough age who should be able to handle the child, and who took no precautions, then the abortion shouldn't be allowed.
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Post by (LK) on Apr 27, 2004 16:44:52 GMT -5
If your responsible enough to have sex, than shouldn't you be responsible enough to have a kid? Also you don't have to raise the kid, there is adoption. adoption? Obviously you aren't old enough to understand how that works, kids don't always get adopted, infact not alot of them do:-/, most of them remain as a foster kid for years switching from home to home, i would know this because my mom's a foster parent, and secondly, i really want to stress the point that just because someone has sex, doesn't mean they can raise achild.. I just can't find a way of stressing that fact, having sex does not mean you are responsible in fact it doesn't mean anything, it just means you had sex or probably couldn't control your hormones/bodily functions! Having sex does NOT take responsibility most of the time, wearing a condom then finding out " woops, it snapped! i guess that automaticly makes me responsible enough to become a full-fledged parent because some 14 year old said so!" does not happen, infact it almost never happens. to make all of that short Adoption= doesn't work, i don't care what your "statistics" say, it just doesn't work, the kid would probably wonder who his or her real parents are causing he or she even more pain rather then just have been aborted having sex does not equal responsibility, no i'm sorry Lauren, but a magical fairy doesn't zap you with special parenthood powers before or after sex, i'm sorry to tell you that and ruin your dreams of being rescued from a handsome prince on a white beautiful horse.
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Post by Static Burn on Apr 27, 2004 21:44:06 GMT -5
This kinda relates to the topic, as well as being somewhat humorous. I do believe that if you willingly have sex, get pregnant, and abort your child, that is one of the most irresponsible things that a person can possibly do.
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Post by Elfie on Apr 27, 2004 21:53:53 GMT -5
Very cute.
Static, how come you called Roe vs Wade (1973), a 7-2 decision by the courts, illegal? I mean you said it. Then you didn't support it at all. Then LK challenged you and you still didn't say anything. Is there a reason that you believe the courts were out of line, aside from disagreing with their decision?
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Post by Static Burn on Apr 28, 2004 5:53:56 GMT -5
New rights are not granted by the Supreme Court, it is not within their power. There is no legitimate text that will tell you that one of the responsibilities of the Supreme Court is to grant new rights.
I may have misread/misinterpreted LK's challenge, I thought he meant "The decision may have been illegal, but it doesn't matter because no one has called them on it," which there really is no response to.
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Post by Lauren on Apr 28, 2004 14:29:56 GMT -5
How come having an abortion is legal, but mothers who kill their kids that are like 7 years old go to jail?
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Post by Alicia on Apr 28, 2004 14:42:53 GMT -5
Jesus..the reason this topis is up is because they're trying to make it illegal, probably for reasons similar to that. It's a different situation, Lauren, maybe those mothers should have had an abortion instead.
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 28, 2004 15:41:35 GMT -5
Because a 7 year old is an established member of society. A 7 year old has friends, free thought, and the ability to communicate. A recently-fertilized egg has none of those things, and can do nothing other than multiply its cells. That's why abortion is totally different from the murder of a 7 year old. Not to say that it's not a form of killing in its own right, but under certain circumstances such things are easier to deal with and accept.
And Lauren, you still didn't answer my questions. If you get raped, are you gonna say that under no circumstances will you have the baby? If you do have sex with a guy you love and are planning to spend the rest of your life with, and use condoms/timing/whatever else you choose as a precautionary measure, and it doesn't work, are you going to keep the kid and ruin your future with such a burden? I think not on either count.
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Post by (LK) on Apr 28, 2004 16:10:47 GMT -5
btw, Lauren, you never responded to that last statement i made, are you running out of ideas? Because that was a bit random..
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Post by Static Burn on Apr 28, 2004 18:53:46 GMT -5
Well, I've always found it ironic that up until recently it was legal to kill a child up until the second that it starts to be born, but after that second has passed it's illegal. Now it's only legal up until 3 months before, which is slightly better but still not entirely right.
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Post by DarkAngel on Apr 28, 2004 19:27:44 GMT -5
Jebus Bass I agree 100% with EVERYTHING that you have said on this thread. That's kinda sary.
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Post by SuperBassX84 on Apr 28, 2004 19:38:39 GMT -5
I know.
And I think late-term abortions are simply wrong. VERY bad stuff. The ONLY way I could ever POSSIBLY consider a late-term abortion is either if the child would come out as basically a vegetable (or, you know, without arms and legs or something like that) or if it would kill the mother, and even then they usually have ways to prevent it.
Something I just thought of - is it possible to tell if child birth will kill the mother before the actual child birth in question happens? Are there, like, warning signs or something or is it just "We're sorry, sir, your wife didn't make it."
That would suck...
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Post by (LK) on Apr 28, 2004 19:42:04 GMT -5
i guess it would depend on the mother's pysical condition and such.
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Post by Lauren on Apr 28, 2004 20:21:11 GMT -5
Because a 7 year old is an established member of society. A 7 year old has friends, free thought, and the ability to communicate. And Lauren, you still didn't answer my questions. If you get raped, are you gonna say that under no circumstances will you have the baby? If you do have sex with a guy you love and are planning to spend the rest of your life with, and use condoms/timing/whatever else you choose as a precautionary measure, and it doesn't work, are you going to keep the kid and ruin your future with such a burden? I think not on either count. Babies still in the uterus do have free thought. Did you know that they have dreams? Well... not as just a few cells but very early on. And actually Yes I would have the babies on both acounts. Even if I was raped. I could never live knowing I killed my child. As a mother your supposed to protect and nurture your child, not harm it. If I had sex on my own and got pregnant, Yes I would. It was MY foolish decisions that made that baby and I would face the consequenses. I wouldn't punish my child for my actions.
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Post by Alicia on Apr 28, 2004 20:25:54 GMT -5
I honestly think it's a childish statement to say even if you got raped you'd keep the baby. A rape is f)rking gruesome okay? You'd have to relive that everytime someone brought the subject up, and with a kid, I don't see how it's even possible to love that child. I never could. And just because you THINK you could doesn't mean every raped woman should have to. That's Forked up, and not your decision.
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Post by (LK) on Apr 28, 2004 20:38:12 GMT -5
does Lauren even know what rape is?
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